If humans are really supposed to be vegan why do they have to take a B12 supplement? Surely the fact that they have to take a supplement means humans are not designed to be strictly plant eaters? Do Vitamin B12 supplements debunk veganism then? Do we have to eat animal products to get vitamin B12? Does the vitamin B12 issue prove we are omnivores? Do meat eaters get vitamin B12 deficiencies? Keep listening as Dr Michael Greger answers these questions.........
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Its definetely healthier to take one supplement that used to be consumed by humans in well and soil waters. But since we no longer use wells we get it from supplements. Still better than high colesterol (proven,dont even try to correct me with false biased research,red meat causes cancer(officialy declared by the World Health Organization) and its connected to heart disease. Cow milk was proven to increase the tumor of prostate cancer while vegan(almond) milk supressed it. A vegetarian diet would be the best in my opinion
And people like you believe what they want to believe. You see thousands of pieces of research and you completely ignore them for some idiot whose research hasnt been proven. You catch my drift? Also i am a meat eater but i dont claim that its healthier just so I can comfort myself and get more views like you. Btw we evolved so we can get all our nutrients from a vegetarian diet and even comp. Plant based we are not cavemen anymore and that theory has been debunked. This is for all of you trying to act smart in the comment section. Good luck being dumb fucks who think they are smart instead of accepting that theyre wrong and move on with more knowldge and less ignorance conpared to before
Old video, but the reason animals have higher amounts of b12 is because they have a longer digestive tract which house the bacteria producing the b12. Are we designed to be vegans? No more than we are designed to be carnivores. We are omnivores unless someone doesn't understand the meaning anymore. You can eat a healthy diet without eating meat with supplements, getting enough protein, and watching the b3 b6 ratios, but a low meat diet will give everything you need without the trouble. All the blue zones are low meat eaters aside from the Seventh Day Adventists of Loma Linda, who are egg and milk product vegetarians. The oldest people of all time are all people who are either octo, whatever vegetarians or meat eaters. No vegans because sooner or later vegans will mess it up I guess. I think the oldest vegan was 109 or something which is kind of a yawner when it comes to aging. It's all hype. A low meat diet or vegetarian with eggs and milk are healthier because people get everything from their food.
There's a Doctor Robert Morse who say s we are designed as fruitavores, eschewing both meats and vegetables. Meats are acids, vegetables are neutral, and fruits are cleansing. For me, I'm open to whatever the evidence and experience bears out. Ive' reduced my meat consumption, but not totally because of the B12 question. I'm not enthusiastic about supplements. Apparently, chlorophyll is showing to be a good option. One idea that's makes good sense as a start is food combining principles. The typical meat and potato combo or better yet protein and starch combo is a bad idea. Better off with meat and salad. This is a start. The keto diet, in my opinion is a bad option and leads to dehydration and constipation. The ketosis that everyone is chasing does have merit but is probably much better achieved with less eating and fasting.
Zobrut I don’t disagree with you. I have heard of calcium supplements and iodine supplements and I have never heard of B12 supplements until recently.
I also have never experienced a nutrient deficiency or health issue (I’m running a diet of animal, plants, protist, fungi, and bacteria), so I won’t be even have the slightest thought of having supplements. I’m pretty health and actually slender, at about 59kg (130lb) with a height of 5’9.
I guess you are right that if everybody in the world have a healthy diet (either vegan, vegetarian, or omnivorous), pharmaceutical companies would lose profits.
That's what we are told but i don't believe that, i think its more of a myth created by drug companies to force people to supplement/or consume animal products hopefully to get sick so business stays booming again. With a healthy gut flora and body/system B-12 Circulates efficiently IMHO based on the research and experimentation i have done over the years.
Some people may need to supplement but others do not. All depends on how healthy and educated you are on how the human body and nature works.
Wow, clearly obfuscating the facts here. "we don't get b12 in water anymore because we chlorinate it" Well we don't get as much b12 from animal products anymore because we stuff them full of antibiotics. The general meat eating populous have bad eating habits, but a healthy meat and veg based diet is clearly nutritionally better plus you don't need any supplements.
A non-confrontational question - If humans are natural herbivores then why for 2.5 million years did our ancestors go through the time, effort and danger of hunting and killing wild animals for meat that was harmful to them when they could have much more easily picked the food that is natural for them from the trees and the soil?
when the early primates walked onto the planes on africa for the fist time they found a nieche only for themselves..and life always tends to choose the easy path, if it doesen't lead to extinction (thats why birds on islands without predators lose their ability to fly) in this case, meat is just a more energy packed food that requires little time to get and allows you to sleep all day and be lazy as lions do. meat if consumed raw and by an primitive man that hardly gets to 40 isn't such a big of a problem. to get meat as a small chimp like primate is quite hard if it isn't equipped with intelligence- so the drive for our species to get smarter and smarter continued, and meat being so energy riddled helped fuel a big brain. but now that we've reached this point we might just find a diet that satisfies our new needs better, and that is the vegan diet, great for longevity, you feel better, and good for the planet. and considering all the variety of plant foods that our ancestors could only dream of you can't argue that we can't satisfy our caloric need only with them
"Where are meat eaters getting these things..." UM VEG AND GRAIN AND FRUIT? Just because they eat meat, doesn't instantly make them ONLY MEAT EATERS... I'm sure lots of meat eaters benefit from a very balanced diet. This dumb fuckery about NOT eating a certain thing is squarely placed on the VEGANS who reject a food and the dumb fucks who ONLY eat meat and don't touch veg etc. My advice. Balanced diet. Eat meat, veg, fruit and grains.
Straw man fallacy (leaving aside the bullshit "study") - meat eaters also eat plants. Newsflash, we enjoy greens and fruits too. And nuts and seeds. Oh yes...the VAST majority of people are Omnivores, and therefore non deficient. Even pure meat eaters who also eat the brain, marrow and organs are non difficient. It's only vegans who have a vb12 problem.
oh ok so as a naturalist according to science im expected to eat shit and dirt and insects (great menu) when naturally i wouldnt kill an ant... and im supposed to not filter my drinking water so i dont get sick because c3po b12? or i have to eat animals.. just to get c3pb12.. when naturally i cant make fire or be bothered chasing down an animal and ive tried to make a spear before and it sucks.. not to mention id never kill an animal because that would just be fucked up and theres no way id eat it cause thats just fucking crazy and disgusting and unneccesary.. i think theres something wrong with your studies id look into tooth paste as being the issue im pretty sure b12 colonises your mouth im not 2 sure
Please checkout this video and research natural ways to consume B12 this video has many natural options to get B12. It also talks about how you only need to consume so much B12 therefore taking supplements can be harmful and in my opinion not natural. https://youtu.be/4BLjAi9gXG0
He lists natural altunatives that are high in B12 like: Buckwheat powder, Spelt, Nutritional yeast, Wheat grass, Sunflower seeds, lentils, cane sugar, breast milk is very high in B12 as well so if you are going vegan with your kids you should be breastfeeding them for at least 2 years or formula to reach the requirements for nutritional value for your kids. Bottom line is dirt and soil is good for us I honestly don't even wash my organic produce because of this. Another fact that I have learned is that soil and plants are the only sorce of B12 any yogurt cheese meat from animals that are stated to be high in B12 is from recycled B12 soil and plants they consume. Meaning a vegan diet should be the best sorce to get B12. You don't have to have a deficiency or take supplements. Eat what you need naturally because the soil has been manipulated. Eat natural foods high in B12.
I can absolutely with proof guarantee that humans are NOT designed to eat only a plant-based diet. Jesus Himself & His disciples fed the hungry 5000 followers FISH & bread.
lean meat & fish should definitely be a part of a healthy diet, otherwise our Creator would not have created it for us to enjoy.
yeah, science... like the world and everything in it - humans, animals, plants & trees, evolved from small amoebas that again evolved in small puddles of water, after an explosion out of nothing millions of years ago... science you say?
veganism is unnatural. Humans never got their B12 from eating faeces or dirt. That's just a lie. All civilizations eat meat. But not as much as we do today. We are the first to forcefully eliminate meat, the truth is veganism isn't about health. It's a political movement for animal rights. It has always been that way from the first self proclaimed vegan.
at 3:26 "So I guess If a meat eaters asks you , where do you get your vitamin B-12 ?
ask them , Where do YOU get your Calcium , Iodine , Vita-C , Vt E , Fiber , Folate , and Magnesium ?"
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Dr. Brian Clement did a teaching on this. He stated how the appendix a few generations ago was much larger. It was capable of holding food long enough to germinate in order to create your B12. As it is now, we have B12 in the Colon; too late for nutrient absorption.
Im vegan 2 years by now. Maybe we arent designed to be omnivors but we are used to that. I think that is just the body isnt used to veganism because our ancestors ate so much animal products (and maybe us) so its telling us a warning or something like that. That would explain why veganism is a little kind of tricky to get adapted to this life style. If veganism should be the way to go, there shouldnt be need to take supplements but ive heard that there are people that dont take those and are vegan I mean Im not saying that people shouldnt take supplements, not even to go vegan but (and ive heard there are vegans that didnt take supplements and got sick or whatever) i want to trust people that they dont take supplements and they are fine. That's what I feel. I don't want to say they are liers even though people tell the opposite because maybe its possible or its just a willpower thing...
There are studies done in many countries who eat meat and don't eat meat. Heart disease and cancer is very prevalent in the countries that consume more meat then others. (Google it) We are being lied to, brainwashed and programmed. Believe nothing and question everything. Think for yourself. Our teeth are that of omnivores not carnivores. Some meat is ok but a lot of people over eat meat which causes health problems. I went vegan for a few weeks and man did I feel light happy and energized....one steak sandwich and all that work went down the drain, I was bloated fatigued and moody. Don't care if you believe me, just trying to get knowledge out thereof my personal experience.
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because no one is perfect! stop feeding people bullshit already. too many vegans still get sick. no one can avoid all the crap you say is bad. all you have is people starving themselves. no one knows the key to TRUE health we all die. until you find a cure for that get the fuck out of here with all this non sense!
user 20172017 plz show some papers about vegans are getting heart attacks , diabetes and bp problems .
Stop making things and I won't believe you bcz i felt that i am 4 months vegan and before that I usually get cold and fever in each month but now i am feeling so so so much better .
First try it then say shit about it , right ?
Yeah, Greger is wrong. The 'B12' in water is actually a B12 analogue and it doesn't raise B12 in the body. People living in poor rural areas of the world drinking untreated water and eating plants right out of the dirt have endemic B12 deficiencies.
The last B12 study showed 52% of vegans were B12 deficient and only 1/226 omnivores.
So just about everything he said was wrong.
They want a population of deficient humans on chemical vitamins like b12 and chemical powders.
Theyve also demonized Saturated Fat which is found in... breast milk. Nature killing you from the moment your born.
Some medication people take make them low in B12 so this isn't true . Plus humans always ate meat plus meat eater do eat fruit and veg so this video isn't true.. Were do meat eaters get there vit C reallly....We ate meat we always have but we don't need it every day.
Maybe the issue is the fact that everything is over processed and covered/filled with chemicals that aren't naturally occurring? Whether we are meant to eat meat or not... the factory farming industry is horrific and has lead to a rise of parasitic infestation, autoimmune disease increase and all round illness, because the animals die scared and in unnatural environments. Everyone talks about how we are meant to eat meat because of when we were hunter gatherers but the conditions were much different. Those animals developed naturally, lived naturally and ate naturally. Do you see what I'm getting at? The way we are living is far from natural so that's why loads of people are going vegan, many other reasons too but It's all fucked up. So until the elite stop fucking with nature, I am vegan!
No! No! No! No!!!! Spirulina creates b12 in your gut and contains many vitamins and minerals along with amino acids! Natural algae. You don't need supplements!!! Avocados are a good source of taurine too! Don't listen to snake oil salesmen.
I don't tell others how to live , but please whoever you are , whatever you eat , just watch for symptoms of B12 deficiency, they sneak up ever so gradually and once full blown are quite frightening. listen to your bodies guys, if you start feeling the brain fog(you'll know what it is when it happens, ), pins and needles in your hands and feet, irregular heartbeats , memory loss, anxiety and depression, mood swings, please get all your vitamins, minerals and a full blood count....the results of long term B12 def be crippling, and some people never recover even after massive doses of injections ... keep an eye on yourselves lovelies...B12 is needed for every single cell in your body ...
I am 22 and vegan from birth. I have crippling social anxiety, depression from childhood, memory loss, brain fog, panic attacks in public. I also followed NoFap for 100 days and it yielded no results. Now i will give B12 a try. I will follow nuts, seeds and raw diet.!!
MsSilver41 so true. I need injections every week for the rest of my life and I'm only in my 30s. The symptoms you mentioned only scratch the surface. It can actually lead to organ failure if not treated at all. It's a VERY important vitamin.
Humans are designed to eat fruit or is it fruit was designed to feed humans. Either way, the diet of primates is fruit. That is you and me. Tell a gorilla he needs B-12 or protein and he will rip your head off. I never saw a primate that needs to take isolates to be healthy and neither do Fruitarians.
frugivores - No I mean fruitarians, both come up with a red line under them. Both have their own meanings. We are primates and they will if needed, deviate from fruits if in short supply or slightly for a little variety but is a minuscule part of their diet. Chimps and Bonobos (just added recently) are our closest relatives, but who do we most look like as far as stature and body type? I believe little what "they" say. Genes aren't the end all.
we create b12 by ourselves. using the sun in between 8 to 9:30 in the morning by doing sun gazing and breathing exercises. well i absorb sun rays for hours and never gotten any skin damage. maybe cause i'm highly melanated ;)
sur a lot of folks ate meat in the 19th century and it wasn't a problem. But today the meat factories are just disgusting - so maybe your getting B12 but look at the quality of the meat - very bad -unbelievably bad
as a regular meat eater the assumption that the video makes at tge end to come up with a "come back" for where you find x is undermining our position on our preference. vegetarians and vegans consume no meat and that is fine. on the contrary meat eaters DO eat fruits and vegetables also. we don't say stop eating tomatoes and cherries because our ancestors did not. for God's sake get some perspective on your arguments.
To be more graphic, in those days where there was no soap or toilet paper, people washed their bottoms and some fecal material may still be sticking to their hands . That is how they got their B12 more than any meat or vege.
You guys generalize that meat eaters dont eat vegetables, in fact i know one vegan and i not only eat more vegetables but also more nutritionally dense vegetables. I eat 10 cups of kale/spinach/arugula per day, with an avocado and lemon.. not just a handful of sugary fruits.
You only get B12 in root soil and you'd need to eat it as a staple food to get enough B12. You also don't get it from untreated water, Greger was wrong about that. It's a misconception from older tests on algae in water that seemed to pick up B12 in the algae, but it wasn't actually B12. Even if you did get it in the water, B12 is not stable in UV light and would degrade in a few hours worth of sunshine. People living in undeveloped rural areas eat soil with their veg and drink untreated water all the time, the ones that don't eat meat have endemic B12 deficiencies.
I didn't understand everything that Dr. Greger says (my english is not that good. But as I see it some comments below. Even some native english speakers didn't get the point XD lol!). But did he also mangend, that the animals, "we" uses to eat, get their B12 also from supplements?
Thats why the right answer of the question, where I get my B12 from, is: From the same source as you ;)
Ps.: I like your pronunciation and I like the video :)
Such an agenda-driven video. Meat-eaters do not eat only meat. Healthy meat-eaters do eat a lot of veggies and fruits. And they don't have to supplement anything in pills. But vegans only eat plants, no animals. Again, you CAN eat both lots of veggies/fruits and meat, and as little processed food as possible. Why not have the best of both worlds??
Sorry, but we are designed to be omnivores. We get everything we require from eating both plants & animals. If we eat strictly one we'll lack something essential. The argument that we need more supplements for eating one type of food, doesn't negate the fact that eating solely the other type isn't perfect either.
+Will M Emmel
Pls take a basic nutrition course on what SUGAR is and what is considered SUGAR, types of sugar and others.
You need understand the chemical makeup of what you eat before you make some weird claims.
Let me tell you what milk out of the cow without additive contains : Sugar...Do you know what lactose is? A type of sugar dangerous for more than half of the world
A correct term would be "added sugar"
First, humans are not "designed" to be anything. We are not "supposed" to be vegan or carnivorous. That entire line of reasoning makes assumptions not in evidence. What is evident is that humans have evolved as omnivores. A healthy diet has room for both plant and animal components.
False human body didn't adapt in any form to actually hunt. We don't have claws or deadly biting power, our speed sucks, etc ..That is bullshit made by obsessed carnists. It was thanks to tools that we were able to do that. Early in human history we were preys not predators. Gathering was the least human could do. Even when we developed these "blunt" tools, we didn't actually hunted with them, rather it was take a piece of flesh from a corpse and run back home.
Meat eating is rare among many tribal people, only few that live in isolated places do. Cow and others are too expensive to simply sacrifice like everyday for yourself.
Lol these are the "ancestors" you guys are talking about with "strong bones"
Most of these people are landwhales who don't have guts nor strength to kill a cow and they are acting edgy over the internet.
Anyone wants to try insects? They are available from www.edibleinsects.com The practice is called Entomophagy.
Eating big animals is okay to meat eaters but a tiny insect is considered gross. Why? Both are edible with B12 and protein.
In Thailand, Korea and some other countries it is served. USA is always behind in health these days. Now Veganism is taking off when countries like India and Jamaica were doing it long ago. So insect eating was done in primitive times and we are the descendants so I do not understand the gross factor when you come from family that ate them. Modern people are too concerned about "eww" than to be healthy and eat a tiny insect which is being wiped out from chlorinated water we currently use. Yes to Veganism and Entomophagy to get the missing B12 and added protein, www.edibleinsects.com
dont be stupid B12 is present in Alfalfa Leaf and algae :
What an unlucky advice to suggest vegans should answer "Where do YOU get your minerals/vitamins from?" when someone asks you "Where do you get your B12 from?" We aren't in a kindergarten fight. What happened to politely explaining things? "We get it from pills, it's a lifestyle choice.". It's not that hard! I have many friends who eat animal products and I know their test results, a lot of them are not deficient in anything. They can simply answer you with "Umm, I'm not deficient in anything, you know. I'm a careful eater." What should a vegan answer then, according to this strategy? "But..but...I don't like your hair!!!"? Lol. I don't approve this.
That book made my mom go veggie and my dad to change his ways some and he's a meat loving 'macho' ex hunter and military man. And I who already was a vegan and had studied nutrition quite a lot still learned plenty. Recommended. Give it or lend it to your omnivore loved ones and they'll change their ways after only a few chapters! Much more efficient than when you're trying to convince them.
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Yea right, the great majority of people feel no empathy for animals. That is why the workings of slaughterhouses are hidden from the public and it is illegal to take pictures/video inside them in most places.
Animals are sentient, but it doesn't matter. A tiger doesn't feel empathy for the sentient antilope he kills, neither does a human hunter or farmer or butcher. Neither does the great majority of people who regularly or occasionally consume meat products. That they "should" feel empathy and "must not ever" consume meat is your own arbitrary subjective postulate. Maybe because you're in the small minority of super-empathetic people who would feel empathy for cartoon figures and inanimate beings, too (check out "animism"). Although given how much hate some vegans present towards non-vegans I doubt even this explanation holds in most cases. More likely, you have hammered into your head that some behavior is "right and proper" and that other people are "wrong and sinners" - the typical attitude of almost every religion (which doesn't rely on empathy either, but rather on ingroup/outgroup gang-like thinking).
+MilkIsPoison Well, I know certain animals are capable of expressing empathy for one another when hurt or deceased, like pigs, chickens, and cows, etc.
I did say "if any," and I was trying to imply that animals, to an extent, can exercise morality, just not as complex or significant, as compared to a human. But they are still sentient, they have feelings, they have a heart, a brain, a nervous system, eyes, a mouth, everything humans have. And, if it isn't abundantly clear, then whoever can't understand, or won't accept that non-human animals can experience life all the same as humans, despite lacking in intelligence, then that person or people, have to be so unbelievably deluded to reject this obvious reality, and they reject it for their own personal, arrogant, biased, selfish, self-serving way of life.