Response to LaughingMan0X's "Defeating the State Through Jokes: A Proposition for Anarchists" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhqvAsAS42I
What happens when government runs out of gas, their policy concerning light bulb changing, economics in an elevator, and Keynesian light bulb stimulus.
Those fine businessmen lobbied for, received and accepted my money. Then they whined about the terms and resisted paying back. They called on all their turd polishing minions to spin some free market fairy tales so as to create a smoke screen for their pickpocketing. Most of these were well-remunerated political activists. But a few were thumb-sucking numbskulls who live in a blinkered world, such as is their moms' basement
+Stourley Kracklite No, he doesn't "pickpocket the government." I'm SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of you FUCKING STATIST LIARS trying to make out like this is a problem with businesses instead of your Blessed State. The state GIVES them bailouts; they aren't forced or tricked or anything. And if you STILL think that businesses are more to blame, Google "Microsoft" and "Orrin Hatch" and see what your Holy Government will do to a business that decides they want to stay out of politics.
@shanedk Huh. When I was taking macro, the circular flow model was presented as something of a model to show the theoretical relationship between firms and households, a bit like a yin-yang model where both sides were important to the whole.
But then again, neither my instructors nor the textbook authors were Keynesians.
@Denon333dash888 It's a Keynesian thing, where an industry is "propped up" with stimulus money. Circular Flow refers to the idea that the industry will spend that money, and then the places that the industry spent the money on will spend it again, and so on, and the economy will magically recover.
Of course, it's just a Broken Window Fallacy.
A Keynesian with a 1,000$ bill wants to buy gold from an Austrian economist. When he gets there, the Austrian economist asks him:
'Why are you giving me this fancy sheet of paper? It's worthless! How much practical use can it possibly have?'
The Keynesian says: 'Well, it has a "value" on it! How much gold can it get for it?' I'm going to print some more from the Federal Reserve so I can get even more gold!'
@rebelq1 Disparaging opinions or statements made against groups of people that aren't a part of the defining aspect of that group. "Black people break the law" is bigotry. "Criminals break the law" is not.
@rebelq1 I might take you up on your challenge sometime. For now, however, I'll settle for the challenge of trying to get rid of the hickey I just got. Any hints? I'd rather not have to cover up the rather sizable red marks, as I don't have any decent turtlenecks. =P
Note to self: The missus gets crazy aggressive when she puts on the cop outfit.
@Nightmare060 Point to a single ad hominem attack.
The point was Elmo's inability to comprehend even basic economic principles, and to put emotion over facts. I'd recommend you avoid using him to back up your arguments in the future.
@Nightmare060 "I love how you twist the facts to completely ignore all shortcomings of private businesses by shifting the blame."
YOU'RE the one who twisted the facts. I straightened them.
Here's a fact for you: when they ban child labor in less developed countries, the children either starve or go into prostitution. Your government is NOT omnipotent and has NO supernatural powers. They're subject to the laws of economics like everybody else.
@Nightmare060 "BP Oilspill" A government corporation funded in significant part by government subsidies and given special dispensation such as liability caps. Try again.
"numerous air accidents due to faulty maintenance," Flying is one of the safest activities you can engage in.
"chocolate companies using forced child labor from developing countries." There is NOTHING forced about the child labor. The children work of their own accord, because if they don't the family starves.
@Nightmare060 "when there is no-one but the private businesses to enforce said laws"
Who said anything about private businesses enforcing the law? Once again, you're just making stuff up because you can't respond to the REAL point.
@Nightmare060 First of all, this is happening all over the country, in practically every police department. It's ubiquitous.
Second, when a private business does it, it's called "stealing." They can be prosecuted, and they can be held liable and forced to pay. That doesn't happen with government.
@Nightmare060 A cop comes up and says that your car was used during a drug deal, so he takes it. That's it. No one gets charged with a crime, you never get charged, they just take it, auction it off, and use the money to fund their department. Since the car is charged with the crime and not you, you have no way of getting it back--no habeas corpus, no due process, nothing.
All you need to know about Elmo in a nutshell. An emotive, ignorant retard who feels that it's okay to ignore the content of someone's argument so long as he feels emotionally secure in his own.
@Surhotchaperchlorome The performance on an IQ test is a measure of how quickly you can process patterns of information, which is what you need to do to learn. Someone with a low IQ can learn anything someone with a high IQ can, it'll just take them longer.
@MarcusCardiff No, YOU are the one who is BIGOTED towards businessmen. A businessman who behaves in the stupid way you portray wouldn't stay in business long. You need to shove off your pathetic dogmas and start looking at the world as it REALLY is.
@MarcusCardiff Why would that be more rational? The working man is more fit than the businessman, and so he'd save himself the trip back, plus the cost of the gas can. The businessman only goes the other way because he knows he couldn't get there that fast by pushing it.
Your "correction" just shows how ignorant and bigoted of businesses you are.
@shanedk You called me a liar and you have the stones to accuse me of libel? We're done. Take your warning and shove it. Your dissembling dishonest BS has undercut everything else you have done. A quick search has revealed that you do this out of habit. Stick to making science videos, because when it comes to your ideology, you are worse than any Theist. Go ahead and block me now and I will return the favor. Call me a fucking liar again. I fucking dare you, you slanderous little weasel.
@HeavyTrafficAhead Based on that fact alone and the fact that you willfully ignore it, it would seem that you are the dishonest broker here as well as that charletan, Jeff Tucker. I've read his other sleight of hand BS articles before. He's a joke, just like the rest of you Austrian School mountebanks. It doesn't matter, you're all about to be tossed on the ash heap of history, because nobody is buying your ill conceived drivel of a philosophy after seeing your 'capitalist heroes' in action
@HeavyTrafficAhead Oh, and you're a LIAR, too. From the article:
"From the outset, federal law made exceptions for kid movie stars...If you are 14 or 15, you can ask your public school for a waiver...if you are in private school or home school, you must go ask your local Social Service Agency...The legal exemption is also made for delivering newspaper..." etc.
So, when you said he didn't address this, you were either LYING about what he said or you were LYING about having read it. Which is it?
@HeavyTrafficAhead He cited sources, provided quotes, and demonstrated a logical progression. That's a LOT more than you've done. No, this bursts your dogma way open and you'll have none of it; so you insult sources rather than rebutting them. Pathetic.
@shanedk Uh no, it doesn't have anything to do with whether I'm a dogmatist or not. It has to do with the fact that so far you haven't provided any conclusive evidence for an extraordinary claim and neither did Tucker. His assumption that ending child labor laws would give those lazy teens some work values is predicated on a very narrow definition of what such a repeal would entail. It also doesn't address that the majority of those teens CAN work with some restrictions. I'm done as well
@HeavyTrafficAhead So, as I predicted, then. You're nothing but a dogmatist, and there's no point in even TRYING to have a conversation with you. You started out your very first post with ad hominems, well poisoning, strawman, correlation/causation fallacies, and wild accusations, and you went downhill from there.
@shanedk Uh no you haven't until you mentioned that article. You Did NOT give me a title, You did NOT give a link. I've already read that article years ago and does the same thing your doing here. A bunch of opinion, as if it's just letting teens(who can work BTW) fix your computer. Not every teen is a suburban kid hanging out playing XBOx, nor does he say ANYTHING about age limits or working conditions. Heavy on the opinion, light on the facts. About what I'd expect from the Mises site.
@HeavyTrafficAhead I HAVE provided evidence. You REFUSE to look at it. And it's NOT an extraordinary claim at all; the extraordinary claim is YOURS, that we can eliminate this just by passing a law.
Here's another source for you to ignore: Google "The Trouble With Child Labor Laws" and read Jeffrey A. Tucker's article. Prediction: you won't, because for you this is about preserving your dogma, not finding out the truth.
@shanedk That's not a fallacy. YOU made an extraordinary claim, YOU said you've made a video about, And YOU need to back it up with the evidence. Until then it's an unverified claim and I'll stick to the homework that I have already done, in an obscure field called HISTORY
@HeavyTrafficAhead Homework Fallacy again. If you want, I can just TELL you what happens to them, but I THOUGHT you might actually want to learn something on your own. Silly me.
What happens is that the children either go into prostitution or starve to death. But I guess that's okay with you, as long as they're not victims of evil capitalists, huh?
Again, the free market had pretty much eliminated child labor by the turn of the century.
@shanedk Uh uh, you made a positive claim and you even said you talked about it in a video. I asked for the title/link and you're now telling me to do research. It's not my job to do your homework for you. As for accusing me of confusing correlation with causation. There was child labor in this country, there was a campaign to end it by Progressives culminating in the Fair Labor and Standards Act in 1938. Although it should be noted that states had reg child labor before then. Cause-->Effect
@HeavyTrafficAhead I talked about it in several videos; the False Dichotomy was one.
Look at what happens when people try to go into third world countries and stop the child labor there. What happens to the children? Research, then come back and answer.
@shanedk What's the title? BTW I would think a rational scientist would know better than to confuse correlation with causation. That's like Bible Thumpers trying to blame everything bad that happened since Torcaso in '61 because the decision eliminated prayer from schools. Let's see if your video has solid evidence that child labor was eliminated because of wealth generation and not government intervention. A link would be nice
@HeavyTrafficAhead Child labor CANNOT be eliminated ANY OTHER WAY. Here's a better question: how come NO society had EVER eliminated child labor until we had about 100 years of a mostly-free market?
And if you have refutations of my Great Depression video (or any others), post them. Otherwise, you're doing exactly what the creationists do.
@shanedk LOL! Wut? You have got to be kidding me. Child labor was eliminated because of wealth. Are you joking? Oh man this I have to see Let's stick with that premise for now. What the hell is it called? I don't see anything titled that even remotely addresses the subject. I see you have a video that has the usual Libertarian view of the Great Depression that has the same arguments that have been refuted too many times to count. I hope your child labor vid has more game than that
@HeavyTrafficAhead Child labor existed throughout history, and was eliminated by the wealth the free market created BEFORE the US government got around to passing any laws against it, as I have shown.
I have also shown how the FDA causes far more deaths than it prevents.
I've also done a lot about the housing crisis, of which you show a profound ignorance.
I've covered the 1907 Banking Crisis, the so-called "robber barons," etc. But you have no response, so all you do is insult.
@shanedk Really? So there really was no child labor in this country? Patent medicine is the figment of those evils statist liberals? It's all a conspiracy? There was no banking crisis in 1906? All of it propaganda? I don't give a damn what you say in your videos, the fact of the matter is unless you were a wealthy white protestant male in the 19th century (and most of the 20th) life was a big ball of suck. History is not with the Libertarians and the present isn't looking to good either.
Tried it your way once. It was called the Gilded Age and we had wonderful things like kids dying in coal mines because of no child labor laws, patent medicines that poisoned people because of no Food And Drug Act, economic turbulence because greed heads built houses of cards because of no SEC. I find it ironic that you portray the economist as the one going backwards when it's Libertarians that pine for the 'Good Old Days' that, quite frankly, weren't so good unless you were J.P. Morgan.
@mrphoo67 And imagine how much further they could get without all of the artificial government limitations in place. So much of their design and research involves finding ways around these restrictions.
@evensgrey That is exactly why I want privatize both nasa and US post office. I am tire government bureaucracy extracting so much money out of congress because they don't know how to succeed of their own. If privatizing nasa the us post office doesn't ruin them their success came without wasted money from the government.
also if nasa is privatize then nasa has more freedom to do what they want.
@Scoforever Werner Heisenberg is speeding down the freeway and is pulled over by a state trooper. The trooper goes up to Heisenberg and says, "Do you have ANY idea how fast you were going?"
And Heisenberg replies, "Nope--but I know EXACTLY where I am!"
@Virgil0211 A display in a butcher shop has:
Sheep's brains: $2/pound.
Calf's brains: $3/pound.
Senator's brains: $100/pound.
FCC official's brains: $5,000/pound.
A customer asks how come Senator's brains are so expensive. "Because," replies the butcher, "They've never been used."
"Okay," the customer replies, "but why are the FCC official's brains even more expensive?"
"Well, do you have any idea," the butcher replies, "how many of them we have to kill to get a pound of brains?"
@calvinhobbesliker2 In 500 characters or less, I'm oversimplifying, but basically if you find yourself in a recession the way to get out of it is to have government spend a whole bunch of money, running up deficits if need be.
@calvinhobbesliker2 Changed from trying to stump him with legitimate puzzles, which he likely would have done, to making up crap that's impossible to answer.
Keynesian economics is the economics that permeates throughout the political system of the US and Europe.