A look at the only essential nutrient not present in the modern vegan diet: B12. Is it a good idea to supplement? Could a vegan get enough B12 in nature?
Links and Sources:
CDC Deficiency Report:
96% of US Fails Fiber:
Low Fiber Diseases:
B12 Deficiencies US:
90% of B12 for Livestock:
B12 on Vegetables with Manure:
0.1-0.5 mg/liter B12 Pond Water:
B12 Microbes in Small Intestines:
Wait, if it may be possible that humans produce their own b12 and absorb it, couldn't some animals do the same so their meat would have b12 too?
No argument against veganism though, still the best way to go ~
When I go 100% vegan, I know that I can get my daily dosage from the soy milk which has 0.8 micrograms of B12 per 250 mLs so the fact that I consume about 1 litre of the milk means that I get 3.2 micrograms from the milk per day.
I know that Yovana Mendoza has a soy free diet rather opting for almond milk but the soy based foods & products have the B12 vitamin which is needed in them as well.
The bacterial sorts of foods which contain vitamin B12 are the likes of nutritional yeast.
What about fermented foods? They use bacteria to make, so do they make B12 as a bioprocess? (If so, then wouldn't need pond water or supplements: I make my own fermented foods but I'm also still taking supplements till I hear some science on this.)
Cyanocobalamin is researched more because it's not natural. It's a synthetic created in a laboratory (GARABAGE). If you're only going to take one B 12, I take Methylcobalamin. Adenosylcobalamin and Hydroxocobalamin also have their uses, but the searching that I've done shows the Methyl is more readily available. Be careful of all the other garbage in the pill. I use "Source Of Life Garden" it's vegan friendly.
Nearly all those who suffer from B12 vitamin deficency are omnivores, then how can they suffer such deficency if they eat a lof of animal products ? Well, because the deficiency in question is caused by a bad absorption of B12 vitamin, a bad absorption caused in turn by a digestive atrophy or a lack of intrinsic factor production. In short, B12 vitamin deficiency is caused by a poor health, which is in turn caused by a bad diet, specially rich in animal products and lacking raw foods like vegetables, fruits and seeds. So no healthy vegan needs B 12 suplements if his diet is correct.
yeah, I'm trying to make that shift right now. Just today I planned out some things to cook and went shopping. Problem is, being vegetarian is really difficult in China, where I'm working these days. They don't really understand the concept... so I'll try this week just eating the things I cook and not eating out. There are some things I don't know how to change, though, like coffee creamer, and I don't think I'll be baking my own bread for the sake of avoiding eggs. We'll see how this goes...
haha that's true. To be honest the argument to go vegan for health is in my opinion still quite weak, I went vegan for environmental reasons and the ethics of it are also extremely convincing. Good health is like the bonus. Ever planning on shifting more plant based or happy as is?
haha, i love how everyone is like, "here, have a study" - no sarcasm at all, this is a good thing. Thanks for your reply, I read it and it's one more piece of persuasion to fully go vegan, though tbh the study wasn't as conclusive as I hoped. Right now, i'm a guilty semi-vegetarian, occasionally bending on meat for convenience.
I eat an apple a day on average and never wash them (admittedly most of the times they are organic). Also, I don't wash my salads that accurately and, of course, I NEVER wash rice, lentils or beans before cooking them
6:05 It is! When I started to take B12 I was a vegetarian for a few years and vegan fit a year, and concerned I could have a big B12 deficiency. So I did a starting cure of massive doses of B12 to be sure my B12 level gets high enough, before I take normal doses. And after this cure I got a big acnea episode. That was the first time I had so much since I was teenager.
It went away after a few weeks though.
Gotta love this. The question-Is it difficult for Vegans to get B12? The answer-well, you don't get this, and that, and that, and this.....Typical fucking Vegans. Morality at the Mouth alone. Your identity and lives, pinned on what you eat, or choose not to eat. But never mind the Leather Shoes, leather car seats, that new leather belt, the fossil fuels you use on a daily basis. Truth is something you cannot stomach.
Hi, im sorry but i dont understand something. If we are all supposed to be vegan, why do we need supplements? I am vegan and this topic worries me, i feel like non vegans could use this as an excuse or something, i mean if they asked me that i wouldnt know what to answer
Mic, I enjoy watching your videos. I need you to make a video about cyanocobalamin vs methylcobalamin. I've watched so many videos from both ends and it's confusing and I should know who to believe. Thanks.
B12 helped me. I take 250mcg a day which may be bit much but i feel much better now. I like lifting a lot and i noticed that it helped me out. Still vegan and i laugh at how people try to use this as an argument against veganism
I very much appreciate Your educational effort, Mike, and would like to share two links to take to consideration.
https://academic.oup.com/dnaresearch/article/15/3/151/464397 , about B12 produced by Lactobacillus fermentum ( in sauerkraft) and https://www.ncbi.nlm.gov/pubmed/12533125 about conflict of interests in biomedical research widespread (69%)...../ I dont know how to spot this in any particular study, e.g. how to find a sponsoring info in publication papers , I'm just a beginner/.
Hi Mic, really enjoy your video's. I've only been Vegan for about 3 months but just before I went vegan I was injecting Hydroxocobalamin b12 subcutaneous, about 1000mcg every week. I developed horrific acne on my back, stomach, shoulders , arms, none on my face surprisingly. I stopped the b12 after I put 2+2 together and the ance started to subside. All this is anecdotal but I have no doubt in my mind the b12 was too blame. What I will be doing now is getting my levels tested before supplementing with b12 again which I should have done to begin with.
I was b12 deficient when I was eating meat, so that's not even a foolproof way to get b12 lol. Since being vegan my levels are great (because I supplement). Supplementing is easy and cheap and well worth the effort, seriously brain and nerve issues are nothing to shrug off.
Awesome video! But cyanocobalamin: NOOOOOOO!!! Please dont take that. Take methyl. Cyano is the most popular one because it's the cheapest to make, not because it's healthy. It has freaking cyanide in it. Duh.Methyl B12 is much more easily absorbed by the body.
Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike you say b12 is in nature but i live in nature and where is it? cause its not natural to drink dirty water or munch on insects i dont get it.. you need to tell me lol im not eating unwashed anything cause im not a fucking eedyat and possums cum over everything lol is there b12 in rain water or clean water cause we dont all live on a river.. help an earthling out lol, WE NEED MORE B12 RESEARCH UP IN THIS BITCH, im not fuckin with the lung cancer risks from tablets theres enough in the crap i eat
So 100 MCG b12 tablets is sufficient?I've been taking 500mcg for 6 days.I didn't want to be dependent on that dose anymore so I'm buy the lesser 100mcg. I'm learning about veganism and mistakenly thought 100 MCG was too small but I guess it's not after all.
Ok I'd like to tell you the story of a friend of my mother, she was around 55 years old, been vegan since lots of years, took the B12 supplement and one day, she began to have organs failing because of too much B12 (sorry but don't remember how the organ is called in english) and her body couldn't process it anymore so she had severe dementia issues and mental problems. I mean, this is a real case. When my mother found out that I wanted to be began she went TOTALLY BANANAS about it, she didn't like it at all. Forced me to eat meat. What do you think of this case? How much B12 should I have a day if I want to be vegan? Please help. Love your channel!
I just started taking iron pills because the last time I tried to donate blood I couldn’t! So hopefully that helps me out and I will definitely take B12 soon... I never wanted to because I thought, “I’m not going to be a stereotype” and I saw it as defeat... But fuck that! This video makes perfect sense and no shame in my vegan game. 😎
I hope it was recommended by a doctor because you have iron deficiency. Common among women but men usually don't have it. If you use an iron pan you will get a little iron from that. C-vitamin binds iron.
People living in the 5 Blue Zones noted for longevity in good health with happiness do not take supplements and they do not have B-12 deficiencies like in the USA. Their diets are a 95 Plant mostlly raw and a 5 percent organic animal grass fed open range and organic fermented raw milk kefir products loaded with B-12 . Thank You Holistic Chef Barry Anderson Visit www.bluezones.com
This is going to be an uneducated question for sure but you always hear vegans always deficient in B12 gotta eat meat, how dangerous is being deficient in B12? What are the potential short and long term effects with being deficient?
the problem with the whole "take the supplement just to be safe" argument is that you'd have to apply it to every crackpot theory out there on what your body supposedly needs to reach healthy homeostasis. My cupboard is piling up with pill bottles at this rate. Also, supplements always come at a risk of being contaminated.
Very interesting, but quoting 'IQ' studies is pointless. The test itself is meaningless, and has its origins in racist ideology and vulgar econometrics: