Tesla will begin delivering its first solar roof tiles this summer at a price point that could expand the U.S. solar market. Bloomberg's Tom Randall explains how the tiles work, how they're priced and why Elon Musk sees them as part of a solar-powered trifecta.
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Tesla is cool and all but here where I'm from all their employees are drug induced humans. No joke they'll be on meth or coke trying to make it past their 12 hour shift snapping on each other. There's problems everyday.
According to the 2015 US Census over 85% of American households have a washing machine so I don't know how you define "vast numbers of people" but even if they don't own one, so what? I said even some of the poorest people in the US have one and that is absolutely true. More importantly, the vast majority of Americans have access to a washing machine. Laundromats exist in every city because of space, not access or poverty. If you're living in Manhattan and being asked to pay $2k/sqft you might elect to avoid a 30"x30" washing machine too. My point was when the technology first appeared, it cost a fortune. Only the richest of the rich could afford them. Eventually through supply and demand, consumer-friendly models became available - so from the turn of the century to the mid 1900s HALF of American households had a washing machine. And today - almost all homes either have one or have easy access to one.
Same pattern with cell phones. Same pattern with computers. And if Tesla, or the technology they use, is to survive - it will be the same pattern with them.
Regarding your second point, how am I "playing the strawman game"?
You said these roofs are "grossly overpriced just like the tesla cars" and I am pointing out that new technology is often expensive. In order to grow as a company they will have to play a larger part of the market, which means prices will have to come down. We see that with their latest model. We see that in his speech here. Obviously very few people are going to pay $50k for a roof - but some will. The only over-priced item is the one that doesn't sell. They will make money off the rich first, but if they really want to explode they'll need to figure out a way how to make money off of the rest of us.
Cheefus Smith You live in a bubble. Vast numbers of people in the US don't own a washing machine, that's why laundromats exist in every city.
As for the solar roof, no one said that 100 years from now they won't be feasible. Stop playing the strawman game.
triple constraint - price, quality speed. you can have 2 of the 3. early adopters pay - that's always the way it is and the way it should be. there were people sitting around crying that the washing-machine cost too much, while scrubbing their clothes in a river. eventually the market opened up and now even some of the poorest people in the US have one. same goes for the cell phone. medicine. televisions. cars. literally everything.
you want to be the first guy to have the fancy new technology? well, you're going to pay. or you can wait, and benefit from that guy's willingness to spend and drive up demand.
Why has nobody tried to bundle wind and solar power together for individual housing? All renewable power sources are inferior to non-renewable sources in every aspect except pollution, but solar is probably the worst because of how unreliable it can be. Solar might generate more power, but Wind might be more reliable and cheaper. If someone were to actually use both for their home, then it wouldn't be necessary to blanket your entire freaking roof with solar cells.
The choice of site has a limitation of wind velocity. The site needs to be windy enough.The problem is that the wind does not blow all the time. When the wind is not blowing, wind turbines do not generate power. At times of peak electricity demand winds tend to be lighter than average
Other problems are Aesthetics, birds and significant amount of bats being killed, noise produced by rotor blades , interference with television reception, etc
When considering these problems, solar power is more reliable.
This doesn't mean that they aren't being used, actually They are the fastest growing form of utility scale generation in the world, growing even in developed countries where electrical demand is flat as governments seek to decarbonize grids.
Wind turbines provided over 30% of the total electrical demand in Denmark, over 20% in Spain, over 4% in the USA, and varying numbers between around the world. That's up from pretty much nothing 20 years ago.
But I get where you're coming from.
Where are the important numbers? Like the amount of energy to produce the tiles vs the years it will last? Legit question
This just felt like a commercial. Still nice though, but I like to hear both sides of the story.
James Siggss. Since you are installing these roof tiles this year James, and have bought the Red signature series Tesla Powerwalls and had them delivered, I assume,
then get back to me in 2048 and tell me how that warranty worked out for YOU, assuming the company hasn't merged into a mega "evil" corp that doesn't honor Tesla service agreements, the service company in your city list their contract, or Tesla itself didn't make it to 2048. Musk will only be alive another 20 years or so, at least hell retire or be forced out. Yeah they didn't think that'd happen to Steve Jobs either in the 80s.
The warranty on this is the easy part of a repair. Its the labor that will eat you alive vs just removing a bad 1-2kw traditional panel. Taking apart a roof and restitching singles is expensive and skilled work. The authorized service companies for just the Powerwall installation and service (much less year backlogged delivery) has been a nightmare for many an aquisive yuppie this year.
Be careful people. Let others stub their toe and learn. After that the product will either mature or die.
Candi Soda. Most of Blomberg is puff piece PR advertising for high end status products or lobbying firms. Like build US passenger only national railways, ignore the astronomical cost per mile or the fact that they serve only major commercial cities and just rumble through middle countryside without stopping for the citizens there or the fact we are a federal republic of states, each with a vote and a say.
This is an elegant product for the aesthetically obsessed 9% in the trendy gated neighborhoods that have rules against ugly solar panels. The problem with the Watt math for off grid is how much can the panels produce, then store in the wall (once the wall is full you can't store anymore the solar regulators turn off the generation.
So if you take a Beverly Hills or Buckhead Atlanta hot sun home. Two working adults, two school aged kids, a maid and a Gardner, and three Tesla EVs. Do the math. The house has AC that runs all day, it is full of electricity vampires and the kids hit home at 3pm. A Nanny may be home all day. The house has been sucking the batteries all day. Junior wants to charge the 3rd car for the fifth time this week due to joyriding and his obsession with 100%. Mom gets home at 6. Plugs her car in because she immediately plugs in her phone, laptop and iPad, so what's the difference. Fires up the electric oven. Most solar houses use gas ovens and heat but this one won't. A Tesla house is all electric, cause Star Trek.
Dad gets home from his trip and plugs his car in also. That's three EVs, the dinner oven, the lights, 20 gadgets, and the AC on a 95 degree night, WITH THE SUN DOWN. All on battery till 10am when they start to build a significant recharge.
Wait for early adopters stories before jumping in.
Davis Winn that's true, but his ideas are still brilliant, and his efforts to scale and cheapen tech are honourable
Collution w government just comes with the game now, unfortunatelly. Not justifying it, just saying
How can something yet to exist be "cheaper" (ENG Prof taught better word for business: "more economical") than expected? I had Solar City come out and they said these shingles don't exist, tried to sell me ugly panels to put on my beautiful house for a mere few bucks less a month than I currently pay for electric - added up the "20 YEAR! lease agreement" and it came to 60k for about 8k worth of materials that can be installed in a couple days- NO THANKS!
Well, I mean if Tesla put high price on it people wouldn't use it. We need long term solution and it's hard to do with manufacturer want profits only. It's great that Ellon Musk care more about the environment than just the Profit.
Couple issus like how do they compensate for heat and will it blind birds or planes like normal solar power panels. Why not put solar power panel strips on roads for potentially unlimited energy of course there is obvious issues that would need to be fixed but very high potential.
I’m so excited that the new house I’m building will have a Tesla SolarRoof !! (Also two PowerWalls and a bunch of other whizbang renewable tech... 11 days without power after *Hurricane Irma* in the sweltering SW Florida summer is something I *_never_* want to experience again !!!)
we have a bunch of solar panels on our roofs that can constantly power 20 homes. And our village has the most solar panels pre person in europe and thats why we'll be getting a 30 ton battery for the whole village! :D
It's interesting, although the environmental argument is moot because of the sheer volume of rare earth minerals the current battery and solar tech require in order to work, and they're short lived, a solar panel loses efficiency to the point that in 30 years time they're basically spent and batteries as anyone who owns a phone or laptop knows has a few years at best and those minerals are spent and unreusable. and these rare earth minerals will run out even at present growth of solar and battery industry usage before oil does.
How much population it cost to make solar panels systems . When you have to dig very big holes in the ground for the raw materials , transport , ship , manufacturer . * the real savings in green house gases . It's a scam
Why keep it only in Tesla stores? To get these products out there fast and to make profits even faster why not have them available at Lowe's, Home Depot, other hardware stores and even Amazon? Selling them only at his stores is a dumb idea.
It's not at Tesla stores. You have to contact an official distributor or installer they order them and install them for you. There is no way an average person or company that isn't trained with these could install these. It requires a lot of electrical work and it's a structural component.